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December 05, 2010

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Mary

In regards to the Nodaway HS that has lost the contract with Science Diet; I don't know that they've lost that much. My understanding is that Science Diet's contract with shelters calls for a "delivery charge" of .30 per pound on their "donated food". Further, in addition to other requirements, the contract prohibits shelters from using any other food at all. So under this contract if local stores or members of the community donate food, the shelter cannot use that community-donated food. And the formula for the Science Diet Shelter food may, in fact, not be the same as Science diet bought off the shelf.
If my math is correct, the "delivery fee" for Science Diet's shelter food is $15 for a 50 lb bag. In these parts we are able to buy 50 lbs of food for about $18 through a national chain - and that is not the cheapest food available.
So if this shelter buys food from local retailers and utilizes donated food from the community, their cost for food may not go up at all.

Joel

Bret, as always thanks for compiling everything into one location.

kmk

Good roundup, Brent. But I have to take exception with this comment regarding the dog attack in Omaha:

"This area of Omaha happens to not be the greatest neighborhood in Omaha (as possibly evidenced by a passerby just happening to have a gun on them that they fired to scare the dogs off) -- "

Nebraska allows concealed carry, so there's a chance the passerby with the gun was a law-abiding citizen that was carrying legally after having met Nebraska's rather strict permit requirements. Or, maybe they just carry a gun around in case the Nebraska Humane Society shows up on their doorstep! ;-)

The RCM being attacked by the Cane Corsos was also interesting, considering the Mounties carry 9 mm weapons. I guess they aren't as trigger-happy as their American counterparts.

And finally, the cats playing patty-cake was priceless!

Brent

Ha, I knew when I typed that that you would be offended :) But the reality is, in most middle class neighborhoods there isn't usually someone who just happens to be carrying a gun around in most instances (not saying it doesn't happen, just saying it isn't necessarily the norm). That's what prompted me to look up the actual neighborhood data which is pretty bad -- I've run that for a lot of areas over the last couple of years, and 43% of the population living below the poverty line is HIGH. A few years ago, the Star ran a series entitled "Murder Factory" on one KCMO zip code that had among the highest murder rates per capita in the country -- and that zip code was 'only' at 29%.

On a happier note, the cats video was pretty priceless -- I laughed so hard I cried.

MichelleD

Folks, be sure and watch the cat video with the sound on.

We were in Arkansas over Halloween and two guys came into the pizza joint dressed up as cops with REAL handguns in their holsters. Not sure if it was legal or not but definitely not something you see everyday!

kmk

It's probably legal to carry an unconcealed weapon as long as you aren't a convicted felon in Arkansas.

Are you sure the guns were real? there are some really good looking fakes out there, which is why Overland Park, KS has a "toy gun" ban. I'm not kidding. A man bought a toy gun for his son (an AR-15 semi-auto, or something similar) and walked into a local motel carrying the gun - he was a guest there. I'm not even sure if the motel was in OP or one of the other motels in White Bread Country. It may have been the old HoJo's in Lenexa. But, it scared the desk clerk, who called the police, hilarity ensued, and the OP city council sprang into action and passed a ban on toy guns. True story!

It was about the same time OP had the big dustup over pit bulls, some big-uddered cows that were offending residents, the White Castle being white (they wanted it to be beige), the Red Roof Inn having a red roof (it ended up brown), and the huge red Price Chopper sign at 75th and Metcalf being red, since all Price Chopper signs are - red!

And then there's Senator Bill Stouffer introducing legislation to repeal Prop B in Missouri. His legislative assistant has been taking phone calls and she said it's amazing that people who profess to "love animals" can hate a senator so much! No death threats yet, though!

CristyF

Mary, you are correct about Science Diet. I work at a shelter, and we got their food for .25 a pound, and part of the contract was that we weren't supposed to use any food besides Science Diet brand, and that we weren't supposed to recommend any food to adopters BUT Science Diet. We recently ended our contract with that company.

And Brent, in regards to your comment that dogs "shouldn't bite a stranger who enters their yard", you really think that trespassers should be able to walk on my property without getting bitten by my dog? Really?? Given, a stable dog (a stable guardian breed even), shouldn't and wouldn't savage a person (a lot of them prefer bark, growl, hold), people should not and do not get a free pass to go traipsing all over my property with no consequences! I do supervise my dogs in my yard, but say I let them out at night to use the bathroom, and there happens to be a person trying to break into my basement window, and he gets bit before I even realize he's there. Should my dogs have been "well socialized enough" not to bite him??

Brent

Cristy,

For the most part, I'm philosophically opposed to the idea of "guard" dogs. Sure, there are particular instances where there is a legitimate need for these types of services, and dogs can be great for the task. But for the most part, most residences don't have a real need for a true "guard" dog. Usually simple barking is enough to keep the average residential criminal away - -and the vast majority of dogs do bark at strangers, but few are likely to attack that same stranger.

The problem with "guard" dogs is that we cannot expect them to made an accurate differentiation between a 10 year old boy climbing over to get a ball and a legitimate criminal (in reality, many humans have a tough time telling the difference between the good guys and the bad guys). The end is a lot of incidents involving innocent people getting attacked.

This is different than laying criminal blame -- which is, and should be, on the trespasser, but if we want to have a true conversation about dogs and public safety in this country, the idea of using dogs for a "guarding" function has to be a part of the conversation.

CristyF

I think a lot of the problem with kids climbing over fences and getting bitten could be solved by

1. Parents teaching their kids to respect other people's property (my neighbor's kids know not to go running through my yard, but when their friends come over they seem to forget that. I wish we could build a fence, but the stupid HOA won't allow it.)

2. Supervising your dogs closely when they are out in the yard, and not leaving the dogs outside while the owner is away from the home.

I agree with you, most homes don't and shouldn't have dogs with a high level of guardian instinct, I would wager there many, many dogs (guardian and non-guardian alike) who would not react favorably to a person entering their space without the owner present. I really don't know how you would teach a dog to not care about somebody entering their space without the owner around. In order to teach a dog, you have to be there in order to reward or punish it for behaviors you want/don't want. How can you reward or punish when you aren't there?

One thing confuses me, a 10 year old is more than old enough to think "hmm, there are four ginormous dogs on the other side of that fence, maybe it wouldn't be a good idea to climb it?" Surely he heard the dogs barking at him while he was climbing? Although, one thing that comes to mind is that he may have met the dogs before with the owner present, and they were friendly, and he might have assumed they "knew" him and wouldn't care if he climbed the fence. I could see a kid's thought process going that way.

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