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December 07, 2010

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Marji

Wow. I guess Denver can have pride in being the only city in the country that doesn't offer fair and equal opportunities to the "disabled" people in their community. By all accounts, it seems a service dog is a right, not a privilege, according to the stipulations set forth in the ADA. Denver doesn't think so.

EmilyS

unf'ingbelievable.

or sadly, NOT...

kmk

Denver City Motto: "We keep beating that dead horse, and beating that dead horse, and it still won't get up!"

EmilyS

http://www.theanimallawcenter.com/OurFirm/News/tabid/60/ID/39/Animal-Law-Center-Disappointed-In-Recent-Actions-Taken-By-The-City-Councils-Of-Denver-Aurora.aspx

Kmk: I am so stealing that!

Joel

Whenever I want to make my original home city of Cincinnati look intelligent with respect to animal legislation, it's important to keep Denver in mind.

Mark Russell

Way to go Denver. Hang tough.

EmilyS

you can see what we're up against here:
http://www.9news.com/video/default.aspx#/News/Pit+bull+ban+challenge/49906872001/50183015001/702396733001

Keep playing that "home rule" card, Charlie... all the way to the first judge who will laugh you out of court. Cause, see Charlie: "home rule" is about the STATE's constitution that give localities the right to ignore STATE laws. The FEDERAL laws, especially the rights-based ones, take precedence.

(can't say I'm impressed with "our" lawyer, though...)

Tcourt5096

Typical powertrip. Brown ought to be dismissed. His sabotaging his colleagues is a travesty. Bill Bruce of Calgary presented the solution to Denver.. as he implements it in his city, no fatalities, tougher dangerous dog laws and milking those who fail to comply. Denver ignores the evidence, studies and other cities' experience, that bans do not work. Brown's arrogance is a travesty to the rest with common sense.

kmk

Ah, EmilyS, the "horse" comment is my dad's, although I'm sure it's not original on his part!

Denver's persistence in keeping this ordinance, particularly in light of a DOJ policy regarding the ADA likens more to an obsession than a power trip. At this point it's safe to say it has nothing to do with protecting the public. All I can say is if this were happening where we live those idiots would have been out of City Hell a long time ago.

I was discussing this with someone the other day - Denver reminds me of another situation.

Question - what was the longest, most expensive trial in California history?

Answer - if you said O.J. Simpson, or the Manson Family, you would be wrong. In the 1980s the McMartin Day Care case was all over the news. It lasted 7 years and cost the California taxpayers about 18 million dollars in 1980s money (and I'm going off of memory there). The accusations were sensational in nature and included sex abuse, Devil worshipping, animal torture, chopping heads off of babies, and all sorts of horrible stuff. A reasonable person would even say the accusations were completely unbelievable.

Despite lack of evidence (unless you include manufactured evidence) prosecutors were obsessed with trying to convict three innocent people. To make matters worse, the "therapists" were talking to the national media about the "interrogation methods" (just made that term up) they used on the children, which resulted in even more innocent people and day care operators across the country being accused of child molestation. In a sense it was like pit bull attacks - hysteria tends to feed on itself, and the stories of Satan worshipping rituals and sexual abuse in day cares spread like wildfire through the media.

At some point the case was no longer about "what's good for the children" and justice. It was merely an obsession with the Los Angeles County's prosecutor's office. Robert Philobosian, the LA county district attorney, was in a battle for re-election in 1984, which he lost.

You can read the book or watch the most excellent movie with James Woods, "Indictment". The movie is a condensed version but sums it up pretty well. But it will scare you worse than any pit bull attack, and honestly, it scared me worse than "Helter Skelter" ever did.

EmilyS

good analogy, Kim: I was thinking more of Orval Faubus standing on the school steps with the national guard trying to keep out those scary black children

rscheel

Thanks.

Brent

Wow Emily. Charlie's interview on channel 9 is a little, eh, frightening that someone with a civic position could be so a) oblivious to federal law and b) so reliant on one incident 20 years ago as the sole basis for his 'logic'

Verjean

http://www.servicedogcentral.org/content/node/297

Might want to check out this link. Service dogs cannot be discriminated against by breed, size, or weight, as of March 2011. Federal law was revised in July of 2010.

Not that it will have ANY effect on ignorance...but it will be federal law.

Yes, I'm always amazed the cities think that beating their citizens over the head with punitive measures, and draconian ordinance will "motivate" them to do the right thing.
Yeah...how did that "prohibition" thingie go?

EmilyS

yeah Brent, incredible stupidity (and willingness to be led by the nose by the vengeful Kory Nelson on the home rule theory).. Denver Kills Dogs has a link to the televised hearings and from the description, the city's attorney was pretty explicit about warning the council about its prospects in court

I was thinking my reply would have been along the lines of "yes those were horrible incidents. In the 20 years since then, Denver has displaced and discriminated against thousands of law-abiding residents. It's killed hundreds of thousands of harmless dogs for the crime of appearing to be a "pit bull". Is there some point when you've killed enough innocent dogs to feel you've gotten payback"?

or more rationally:
"yes those were horrible incidents. And yet in the 20 years since "pit bulls" were banned, Denver residents have suffered an INCREASING number of dogbites requiring hospitalization. Denver residents are LESS safe following your ban"

Katie

I'm not sure how, but the Animal Care and Control of my county found out I had an unregistered dog(I just hadn't gotten around to it yet, as I have 4 dogs). They sent me a notice and a fee and I took care of it. I think the vets have to report sterilizations or something every year and maybe that's how ACC found out. Either way, that should be how it's done. If you want people to register their pets, go through the vets. BTW: I think if the idiots in charge of Denver would pull their heads out of their a$$es they'd really enjoy life more. I have two Pits myself and you'd have to pry them from my dead grip to get them away from me.

kmk

Denver has been a "sanctuary city" for some time now, despite being in violation of Colorado state law, which prohibits sanctuary cities.

They are clearly not getting off of that "home rule" crazy train!

http://www.cairco.org/sanctuary/sanctuary.html

And Hickenlooper is now the Governor. They're in good hands now!

Joel

I was not overly impressed with the veteran's lawyer either. Perhaps she was trying to appeal to the public since she was in a TV interview and not a courtroom, but the fact that he served his country is immaterial.

The ADA's guidelines do not cover certain types of dogs. They do not cover most breeds. They do not cover 124 out of 125 breeds. They cover all dog who have achieved certification. Period.

Mr. Brown claims that this dog is a greater threat than other dogs, yet can show no evidence to affirm that policies based on this position has made his constituency safer. Additionally, pit-bull type dogs are allowed as service dogs everywhere else in the country. Where is the evidence that this specific group of dogs is creating any sort of heightened public danger?

I have no idea if Mr. Brown just enjoys playing the local tough guy, or if he is frightened that the minute any law is loosened his name will be attached to the first bite case involving a pit-bull type dog in Denver.

Denver, when can you vote this man out?

kmk

Kim's Government Postulates:

1. It's usually about the money, but not always.
2. It's NEVER really about "protecting the public".
3. It's definitely always about the control.

EmilyS

http://www.kdvr.com/videobeta/5fcc68af-7585-428a-bca3-45bbc3072582/News/Denver-to-fight-pit-bull-ban-changes

they are asking damages and Jennifer seems pretty sure she's going to kick Denver's ass...

If you're on FB: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wheat-Ridge-CO/The-Animal-Law-Center-LLC/318713332034

Joel

Jennifer was stronger in that segment than she was in the other video.

It's pretty clear stuff. If Mr. Brown wants to contest the process by which service dogs are certified that's fine, but that's a separate issue. Any dog that is currently certified as a service dog is exempt from any breed-specific laws. That's the only fact that matters here. Most second-graders could interpret this correctly.

Cindy

Alright you good citizens of Denver - if your city leaders are this stupid about this one issue (ignoring all of the evidence to the contrary on the breed ban issue), don't you wonder what other issues they can be this stupid about? If you are tired of paying taxes so the city can invite lawsuits as a result of violating federal law, stand up for yourselves and through the b*****ds out of office!

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