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September 11, 2009

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Julie

Troublemakers is troublesome. Way too "game dog" oriented, complete with claims of "pit bulls" being "bred for love of humans". No?

Brent Toellner

I guess I don't see it that way Julie. The whole point of the article is to explain that stereotypes exist -- but are neither an accurate way of determining risk, nor an accurate way to deal with potential risks. That we often use stereotypes as a catch-all for our emotional responses, instead of truly understanding what has led to the stereotype and creating it in the first place. I think it does the cause far more good for people to read the article, and understand why the stereotypes are misleading (at best) than any quibbles I might have with some minor verbage of the story.

Julie

I appreciate the point of the article- I really do. I am just at breaking point here with the claims of "pit bulls" doing this or that, especially when those things are unfounded and are about things like "not acknowledging cut off signals" blahblahblah. Really not trying to start an argument- it has been a frustrating week, personally, with having to deal with stereotypes about "pit bulls". I know we all have those weeks...

Social Mange

Thanks for the heads-up about the Gladwell connection. He is an intelligent, insightful writer. Not everyone will agree with him, and that's good, it means his writing is provoking thought.

Julie, sympathies, I know how frustrating it is to deal with the stereotypes.

Social Mange

Sorry, not suficiently caffeinated yet. I meant the Gladwell collection, not connection.

EmilyS

I'm not sure what your beef is, Julie. The APBT WAS bred to fight other dogs and as a part of that, selected for individuals that would not redirect onto humans during a dogfight. It's not an unreasonable interpretation of that fact, along with the simple observation about the behavior of the APBT (including those descended from "gamebred" individuals) to say that they were "bred for love of humans". I don't like today's apologists or cultists of so called "gamedogs" (or which there are very very few in existence), but I don't like disappearing history, either.

Brent Toellner

A) Yes, it doesn't make much sense to ignore history.

B) I'm sure Julie's beef is with people with attitudes like this that in spite of the history, it is just that. The vast majority of APBTs, and even more of the dogs commonly referred to as pit bulls, haven't been used for fight for generations. In fact, entire breeds have been created in the amount of time it's been since most dogs of this type have been used for fighting.

Which is why...

3) The whole point of the article -- the failures of stereotyping -- is so relevant -- to everyone -- even those who think they are helping.

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