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March 24, 2008

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Becky

My suggestion would be to do what those of us who do not have fenced yards have to do -- take your dog outside and stay with them while they do their business and exercise. An inconvenience for sure, but probably necessary as our wildlife is forced to come closer and closer. (There IS plenty of prey out there for the coyotes, I'm not sure why they would be invading yards?)

I've gotten very excited when I've seen coyotes out back, but it is also a reminder to me to not hang out back there, and to watch out after dark!

They don't have any natural predators around here, do they?

Caveat

The major predator of the coyote is the human.

They will be coming around because let me guess - this suburb sits near woodland and open areas, coyote habitat. Or, some moron is feeding them, that happens a lot.

We have lots of them here in Southern Ontario. They are beautiful animals unfortunately being displaced.

They catch cats a lot and will go for dogs who have largely forgotten their instincts in a fight. Coyotes will hamstring a dog, then kill him.

My Wiener Dog was worked over by a coyote pretty badly 7 or 8 years ago. He almost died, still has the scars.

It was my fault, we were walking in the conservation area as usual and I let him get out of sight. He was saved by my big dog and my friend's two Airedales crashing into the bush to find out why he was shrieking. He staggered out and collapsed, ripped up really badly.

As I say, he was a mess, in and out of the vet's for a few weeks. He recovered and of course had no fear of big dogs because he's tough, but I've never gone back to that area.

Overall, though, they are fairly timid animals who eat mice, rabbits, groundhogs, things like that.

I don't get the no fences rule, seems so weird to me. What's wrong with some safety and privacy on your own property?

SocialMange

Sounds like the coyotes' natural food sources are disappearing...if there's a lot of suburb development in the area, the rabbits and mice are moving out.

Some friends of mine have a house on a ravine in Toronto...one chum was working in the backyard, turned and saw a coyote staring at her. She very slowly and quietly backed into the house. There are coyotes in High Park in Toronto, they apparently pick off cats (because stupid owners let the cats out). The High Park coyotes have lost their fear of humans because (more) stupid humans have been feeding them.

chmommy

I would like to know where in Leawood these attacks have taken place. I live on the MO side 1 block from Leawood and have a small dog and a small child (ok, I know the stats). I've been out of town & just returned to hear about all of this. I have a drainage creek behind my house & have seen fox around and my parents live about 5 miles South in KS and they have bobcats, but coyotes now? Kind of chills my blood!

Brent

There's a map on the link provided above. Basically 127th to 151st, Mission to Nall.

Becky

I looked up a little more stuff on coyotes (partly because I am nuts about them!

I have no idea if this is knowledgeable research, but it's interesting, anyway. I'm sure there is more out there.

My search question was 'Do coyotes attack humans'.

Here is the piece. Interesting that deer seem to present more danger than coyotes.

Again, note that coyote attacks on humans are extremely rare. I go bezerk w/ excitement when I see any out back, or when I hear them howling at the sirens, or when they've made a kill, a celebration of which I read they also howl about.

The area out back of my apt, which I believe is eventually attached to a part of Shawnee Mission park that is a nature preserve, is chocked full of prey. I have seen skunks, opposums, rabbits, ground hogs, and field mice. Plenty of deer also, of course, but I have no idea if a pack of coyotes could take down a deer?

I really do not believe that young children are at risk, as long as parents are supervising them, as they should be anyway. Little kids can drown in someone's pool, unsupervised and they can eat something poisen in the yard (one of mine once did), if they are not supervised.

I REALLY do not want to see a time come when we can no longer see and live peacefully amongst wildlife.

http://www.geocities.com/DesertCoyote_99/coypeop.htm

Becky

Uh, more coyote prey that I've seen out in that area: Plenty of pheasant and wild turkeys. Think they eat birds. too?

Emily S

Coyotes really don't have any predators, except maybe wolves in the few places they co-exist. .. and diseases of course. And humans. They are omnivorous, extremely adaptable and opportunistic. We haven't managed to exterminate them, despite 100's of years of trying.

They can live pretty much anyway they want to. They are living in LA, drinking out of swimming pools.

They rarely attack humans, but if they become acclimated to people feeding them, then become emboldened. The only attacks I've read about involve human acclimated coyotes trying to get at food.

Coyotes are really great animals, at least in their natural habitat, living "naturally." They will increasingly become pests that can become aggressive and dangerous... like raccoons, which also kill cats and small dogs.

Folks in KC will just have to learn how to manage... like keeping their dogs and cats protected.

Barbara Rosenman

I must respond to these coyote postings. I am a former employee of the state fish and game, and currently in animal control. Plus I farm, so I have a lot of experience with coyotes.
Coyotes are opportunistic predators...if they think they can take it as a meal, they will give it a try.
Coyotes, like dogs, do not always recognize infants and toddlers as little human beings. A small child left unattended, mimicing prey behavior (squeeling, running, etc) could easily be mistaken as a meal by a hungry coyote.
I lost so many chickens and goats to coyotes that we finally had to have our pasture electrified at great expense.There is much to admire about coyotes, but never ever romanticize them. It could have tragic results.

Emily S

uh Barbara: can you cite any actual attacks on coyotes on "toddlers" as food?

Of course children (and pets) should never be left unattended anyway. But saying coyotes "could" mistake children for meals without proof that this has ever occurred is just sensationalism. The documented attacks by coyotes involve the coyotes trying to get at people's food, not at people AS food. There's no evidence of any coyote chasing a child because it thinks it's a rabbit.

Cougars, grizzlies (maybe blackbears).. a different story. They will stalk and kill humans, but it is exceedingly rare. More rare than dogs killing people for that matter.

There's no evidence... NONE.. that coyotes regard humans in any form.. as prey. People are not chickens, so the fact that you have to fence your livestock to protect them from coyotes is irrelevant.

Guardian dogs... or donkeys.. or llamas.. can be very effective as livestock protectors in coyote country.

MichelleD

EmilyS - That's funny that you mention donkeys. When we had a donkey we didn't loose ONE single chicken...we didn't know that was a benefit at the time until we got rid of the donkey and the chickens started getting snatched.

I don't think its IMPOSSIBLE that a coyote would attack a small child - but yeah, I'd like to know if its ever happened.

Ed P

The thing that makes Internet blogs nearly worthless is the amount of ignorance displayed. Emily S said, "There's no evidence... NONE.. that coyotes regard humans in any form..as prey." Actually there are hundreds of cases of coyote attacks on humans, including small children being drug off. All any of you need to do is use your computer's search engine, type in "Coyote attacks on humans," and begin reading the thousands of entries.

Emily S

yes, and the great thing about Internet blogs is that people don't seem to be able to actually READ.

Please refer to my earlier posts where I say that acclimated COYOTES ATTACK PEOPLE. Virtually all the reported stories are about acclimated coyotes.

Caveat

Um, if we're talking about media reports, we don't attach too much credibility to those for some reason....

I'll bet there are lots of stories about wolves too - even though there has been one substantiated report of a wolf-related human fatality in the history of N. America (since we Euros arrived).

Wrong choir, buddy. We read books and even - gasp - scientific papers around here.

Becky

....on a lighter note... This lady rescued an orphaned coyote when he was a tiny pup and he lives w/ her and her tomcat in a one room cabin. Could there be a better life? He is absolutely gorgeous and I must brag that I received a professionally framed, signed print of Charlie for my B day. (CO-RTS)

http://dailycoyote.blogspot.com/

Becky

The photos and the journal of Charlie's progress are so beautiful and remarkable. Please look at these when you get a chance.

Brent

Ed,

With all due respect,when I type in "Coyote Attacks on Humans" in Google, I get 17 entries, and none of them are actually about the coyote attacking a human, but usually speculation that they might someday attack a human. I did some google searching, and I can't find an example of where a human was attacked by a coyote.

I'm not saying it can't or would never happen. I do think if an infant was out alone, that it would be fair game. I'd have to ask why a young infant was out wandering near wooded areas unsupervised, but it could happen. It just isn't likely. Of all the thousands of terrible things that could happen to someone for a premature death, death by coyote seems like it's not one of my bigger concerns.

Marjorie

Huh? I typed-in "coyote attacks on humans" and found 26,600 results with the first page filled with results of adults and children attacked by coyotes.

One account describes a kid sleeping on the deck when he was attacked. Another child was playing with a frisbee and, after being bitten on the hand, was dragged to the edge of the woods. A woman was bitten on the leg while she jogged at an athletic track. Another kid was playing on a swing set when attacked.

Here are a few from the top of the Google results:

http://repositories.cdlib.org/anrrec/hrec/timm_baker_P047/

http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/awm/docs/coyoteattacks.pdf

http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/coyote_attacks.html

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0091-7648%28198924%2917%3A4%3C444%3ACAOCIW%3E2.0.CO%3B2-D&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage

I'm not even attempting to get involved in the debate, itself, since I have no expertise in this area, and won't have any greater insight to offer after doing a silly Google search. But I readily admit I'm puzzled by the claims coyotes don't attack, or that we can ever know precisely why they attacked a person unprovoked.

According to the U.S. government's own records, coyote attacks, while not common, do happen, and involve both adults and children.

I supsect just about any creature that is capable of attacking a person would likely do so, given the right circumstances.

Brent

The SD County report is really quite interesting. It sounds like as california has sprawled into the mountains they're having some issues. Interesting stuff...

I don't have a whole lot of knowledge on coyotes either (obviously). Just thought it was interesting that people are moving into these sprawling neighborhoods, taking up former habitats for these animals, and then leaving their smallish dogs out unattended and pretending its the coyote's fault. Seems pretty wrong to me.

Marjorie

What I found interesting are the varied locations, from a number in Canada, to MA, OH, CA, IN, CO, NJ, NY, PA, WA, and more.

Some alleged incidents can be found listed here:

http://www.varmintal.com/attac.htm

yoonamaniac

I have 6ft fence, unclimbable, all around the backyard and still stay with the dogs outside. When the dogs are outside, I'm outside. When I turn to come back inside, they follow me inside. And as far as I'm concerned, that's the way it should be.

Becky

Agreed, Yooamaniac. I mean, I do not have a fence, but if I did, I would not use it to leave my dogs unsupervised or unattended. Maybe watch them occasionally when doing the 'quickie quicks'. I don't know, because I've never had a fenced yard. I am plain slave labor getting them out for business and hikes/walks, etc.

Heck, what will we do when the cougars start moving in?? I am no expert, but am imagining that their numbers will gradually increase and spread this way, w/ plenty of prey out there, namely the deer.

Andrew

I actually just returned from a walk at about 11:20 this evening, and after the walk i was led to research coyotes and their behavior with dogs. I always walk across the street with my yellow lab Tucker to let him run in the nearby field/wooded area and until this evening have never been worried about him. As i walked and ironically let him go a large coyote crossed the street. Well off he went, and i wasnt worried at first because Tucker is a large 100lb male that is solid as well as has been bread for hunting...so relitively a tough pup. As Tucker came back the coyote came out of the woods and followed him out!?! The coyote was about 20 yards behind but still abnormal behavior. To make a long story short as we walked i saw another coyote show up and the entire time they circled my dog and i. I wasnt conceerned with one but as more showed up i wasnt interested in seeing a face off. As i walked I would stop and look and they would stop and look as well. I hunt and fish alot and have never seen coyotes act this way. I didnt feel threatened at all but it was more curiosity than i was used to. I think if parents watch their children and we watch our pets, we will have nothing to worry about (shortly after i put Tucker back on his leash). A wild animal is a wild animal and they will do ANYTHING to survive so all we have to do is make smart choices. I hope i didnt scare anyone but i live around 125th and Metcalfe and just wanted to give an example of my experience.

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