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February 18, 2008

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Becky

As you said, Brent, what ever happened to meeting your new neighbors? Why wouldn't you care to learn what kind of people they are? Why wouldn't you care to meet the dog that is causing you so much fear -- when it is this 'unknown' that is causing your fear?

This goes to prove that we need to find a way to hold the Media responsible for the damage they have done to respectable dog owners. But it is so widespread -- how?

The neighbor, himself, says 'You hear the stories'.

Once again, the safety of children is NOT really the parents' #1 concern. If it was, they would not put their child in an automobile or allow them near a swimming pool.

Becky

Added note: How come this made The News anyway? I'm sure the dog owners were willingly interviewed, but I would be royally PO'ed to be shown on The News in this light -- having me, my home, my dog and my fence scrutinized, as if there was something scary about me. As if I were housing a dangerous criminal.

krislars

Yikes. That sucks.

Having rented w/dogs before (including my Staffie), I've learned to fight ignorance, er, fire with fire. I whipped out my 'doggie resumes' and wrote very nice letters to all my neighbors BEFORE I moved (I also wanted to let them know I'd be putting in a privacy fence and needed to ensure they weren't going to hassle me on that either). Let me tell you, it worked like a charm.
People in JoCo KS hadn't had that type of 'courtesy' (their word, not mine) and were so appreciative to get such a nice letter about me, about how much I care for my dogs, how responsible I was, etc. Coming from the SF Bay Area, this is standard! So I was shocked at how well it was received...and how well everyone responded. They gladly took us all in, including Athena, my staffie...in fact, some brought her a special doggie treats - forget the cookies for me! They wanted to meet the new dogs in the neighborhood with the 'doggie resumes'!!! Over two years later and Athena is still the shining star of the neighborhood.

As much as it sucks...as a responsible dog owner, let alone a bullie breed owner, you sometimes have to go that extra mile. I learned from a very wise woman (Donna & the folks at BR) that part of becoming a bully owner means constantly fighting stereotypes...sometimes even in advance, having the wherewithall to fend off the stereotype before things spiral out of control. I guess that really stuck with me. As much as I hate it, that's the unfortunate world we live in right now...it's a battle at every turn, but worth it for the love of a bully!

Keep us informed on what we can do to help in this situation!

Brent

As for the fencing thing, that might be the part I find the most humorous (in a sad way). I agree with the woman that the 3 foot tall fence would not be tall enough to keep the dog in if it wanted out. However, there was no indication that the dog was kept outside without supervision or that they didn't, long term, plan to build a taller fence. They had lived there a WEEK! What are they supposed to do, not buy the house because the fence isn't tall enough? How about having a discussion with them to see if they plan to build a taller fence before you try to ban them from the city outright? It's just crazy.

Caveat

The media must answer for what they've done. We are working on a couple of situations where people 'heard about those dogs' and resorted to vigilantism. We want the owners to sue the media.

Media take advantage of their former place as watchdogs for citizens which gave them freedom to publish. They are misusing that right in many ways, not least of which is a complete abandonment of journalistic integrity. Are there still real reporters and journalists out there? Of course but unfortunately, the media culture has eroded and many outlets are nothing but shills for political groups.

The internet is a double-edged sword. It allows people like us to get our message out and communicate with each. It's also a great resource.

The down side to that is it allows media hacks who are largely undereducated, underpaid, overworked and under-appreciated to sit at their computers and play pass the word, rather than getting out and looking for real stories.

I have no problem with opinion pieces when they are presented as such - what really fries my 'taters is when editorials are disguised as 'news'. Watch your next newscast critically - try to spot every editorial comment or made up 'what if' point in a supposedly straight up report.

We need a Truth in Journalism Act. Every statement presented as factual should be supported if need be - and getting it from a press release or other news story doesn't count. Locking jaws, anyone?

Gee, do you think there'd be some resistance over that by media?

MAC`s GANG

This says a lot about the neighbourhood and the people.
I`d be moving again.

Michelled

Hmmm, what website do you think he got his information? More about keeping these "fighting breeds" out of the neighborhood.

Funny, playground equipment kills more kids than dogs do...

MAC`s GANG

All you have to do is read some of the comments made in Madisonville to see the idiots that are out there.
I posted a response to "Darlene" who gave that tired old "their bite is different" crap.

Do you think she`s going to read the link (to L. Brisbin) on Animal Farm) and start repeating the TRUTH?
I doubt it, but maybe someone else will get a clue.
That`s why I bother correcting them.
One person on that board even gave me hell-o because our Federal Gov`t didn`t send troops(officially)to Iraq??
That has something to do with "Pit Bulls" and their owners??

That`s the intelligence level.

Brent

Michelled -- great point on the playground equipment -- statistically it's FAR more dangerous than the dog.

Mac -- That's awesome that they brought out the Canadian troops not "officially" going to Iraq. That was your decision wasn't it? I'm pretty sure I don't want to be held accountable for all the decisions my government has made here in the US. Yikes! What's even more amazing is that 2 or 3 years ago I was in Toronto and there was a front page story in the Star that week that Canada was sending a fairly significant number of their elite military folks (our equivelent to the Marines or Navy Seals)over to Iraq. I never once caught word of this in the US media...the same media that always worked to paint Bush as a renegade that was all out on his own with no support in the war. I don't want to get off-topic here, but since you mentioned it I thought I'd throw that in that dogs aren't the only area where people completely only get a partial piece of the story...

MAC`s GANG

[quote]That was your decision wasn't it?[/quote]

I missed the the phone call requesting my input.
And I have one cousin just back from Afghanistan and another one leaving and I wasn`t asked for my input on that mission either.
This just shows how low they will stoop.

This was my response to Mr Texas.

[quote]Posted by: One more Canadian! Location: Canada on Feb 16, 2008 at 07:03 PM

[quote]Man is it really sp boring in Canada that all you people have to do is worry about dog ordinances in Texas. Heres an idea send some help to the war on terror instead of lettting others fight to protect you. [/quote]

Canada has many soldiers in Afghanistan.Talk to our Prime Minister about Iraq. Send him an email. The misinformed like yourself believe that this is an issue about dogs. This is a Constitutional/Civil rights issue. The responsible owners of those "special" dogs in your town and other towns in other Countries should have the same DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS as you do! Breed Specific Laws turn otherwise law abiding citizens into 2nd class citizens.[/quote]

Jim

I think i'm going to go walk my staffie up and down their street just to watch them freak out. ignorant fools.

Carianne

The ignorance and lies that people are fed by media sources has become the reality, case in point trying to get this dog taken away because it has pit bull characteristics, we should all be afraid.

If it is a pool, the blame would be on the pool owner. If it is playground equipment, it would be the playground owner. If a kid harms another kid, the blame is on the person raising the kid. If it is a dog, especially a pit bull, the blame is on the dog, HUH? This means they are treated like an adult, is your dog smarter and more rational than a 15 year old, hopefully not, poor kid if this is the truth.

SocialMange

It's not Wysteria Lane, it's Hysteria Lane.

What's the matter with these people, the cable went out and they didn't know what to do with themselves?

Give 'em some torches, let them turn into the howling mob they want to be, and chase Doggenstein across the tundra.

What a shining example of friendliness, neighbourliness, tolerance and understanding they're setting for their supposedly precious children.

I wouldn't move. I would sue the a**holes for breaching my constitutional rights.

SocialMange

It's not Wysteria Lane, it's Hysteria Lane.

What's the matter with these people, the cable went out and they didn't know what to do with themselves?

Give 'em some torches, let them turn into the howling mob they want to be, and chase Doggenstein across the tundra.

What a shining example of friendliness, neighbourliness, tolerance and understanding they're setting for their supposedly precious children.

I wouldn't move. I would sue the a**holes for breaching my constitutional rights.

SocialMange

Sorry for the doublepost, TypePad went nutz on me.

SocialMange

There's a poll about banning "pit bulls" on the ClickOnDetroit site...

http://www.clickondetroit.com/editorials/index.html

Shelly Anne

Instead of focusing on the media, which we cannot likely control, it would be much easier to stop people online by making it very socially unacceptable to push vigilante sites like that bite blog. You must understand that gal is a webmaster and knows few bounds. She had 40--yes--40 posts in regard to one posting. She put up a local responsible dog breeder's site (w/o permission) and coincidentally the corollary blog of breeder was hacked. All this is "not" a coincidence. What is going to happen is that someone will go too far, and then say they read the bite site and it spurred them to action. Although the media only has a vested interest due to "sales" and "drama", no one is interested in dogs that attack if they are labradors. That is, unless it takes off one's face.

Caveat

If you have evidence for your allegations, Shelly, you should report the abuse to her ISP. It would be pretty easy to prove who hacked the site.

Who pushes moronic sites like that? Other morons. I only visited it once briefly out of curiosity, figured it out and had no desire to return.

Susan

What a messed up world we live in! Sorry for the lack of respect. I hope these people have perfect lives because someone just might petition to get them kicked out!

Susan

What a messed up world we live in! Sorry for the lack of respect. I hope these people have perfect lives because someone just might petition to get them kicked out!

Susan

What a messed up world we live in! Sorry for the lack of respect. I hope these people have perfect lives because someone just might petition to get them kicked out!

Donna

Bleh! When I was a kid living in East Detroit in the 60's (eep) I remember when the adults went nutso when - GASP - a black family was moving onto our street. This is the same kind of gutless crap, and the only way to fight it is to move right on in and plant your flag big and bright. I hope and pray that this family has balls and that their dog is everything we love about pit bulls.

Shame on Plymouth! This is where BR's Tim grew up. A nice place with decent people -- How embarrassing for them that they fell for the media hype and are showing their outdated underwear this way.

My sense is that the Humane Society of Huron Valley is already on the case and I wouldn't doubt that Michigan Humane and other non-shelter breed groups are strategizing (Remember how the troops came out and shut the Detroit ban scare down in one LOUD meeting). Go defenders, go.

It should be interesting!

PlymouthPitOwner

I would like to take time out to THANK all of you, your support is wonderful. I and the people behind this battle are going to win this once and for all, with all the support they do not stand the chance. If anyone has any questions about this matter please e-mail or post a comment i will be more then happy to answer anything. once again THANK YOU...Kyle

SN

What is your email address?

Becky

PlymouthPitOwner, if you are still there:

This is a very shameful story that should never have been covered. Every single decent dog owner in this country should be outraged that American citizens and the media seem to believe they can treat people this way.

I know it's too easy to sit over here and say this. Altho you, your dog, and your home came across very well in the news story, I believe I would be at least consulting w/ an attorney about this newscast. You are obviously respectable people with a dog who appears to be friendly and harmless, and there is no law against your dog's breed where you live.

I feel that it was absolutely irresponsible, insulting, and libelous of the media to go to your home, inspecting you, your dog, and your fence, while your neighbors are permitted to talk about you and your dog as if you could be dangerous. I don’t care what ‘stories’ people hear, as stated by your neighbor, these statements are based on lies and slander and should never have been heard or published.

It must feel horrible to know that your royal ‘welcome to the neighborhood’ consisted of petitions passed and signed against you, and a news story in which you are publicly scrutinized for no good reason. You have my deepest sympathies for this -- it must feel like a nightmare!

I hope that if it were me, I would sue the pants off the neighbors and the local news station, so I could pack up and buy myself a beautiful new home and spend the rest of my days with my dog, rather than having to go to work OR deal w/ such spineless neighbors.

It is long past time for us to figure out how to call the Media on the damage they have caused to decent, law abiding dog owners and our dogs -- And start demanding that they pay for it!

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