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October 10, 2016

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Emily Sieger

well, not QUITE "literally" "all" animal welfare organizations.. you forgot PETA's support for BSL. Who can blame you for wanting to wipe the fact of their existence from your brain?

jan

HSUS supported BSL and in fact the killing of any "pit bull" confiscated until the backlash from Vick when they saw they could make $$$ on the lives of these victims they did a 180 I wish I had a screen shot from their "teen magazine" where they stated all pit bulls from fighting rings should be killed and dont forget Kory Nelson of Denver notoriety.. he made it his crusade to make sure pit bulls were banned everywhere he could ( and on his companies time)

Cheryl Huerta

It's about time...and there's plenty of information here by the Canadians that can be used when helping communities avoid pit bull bans when non-breed specific dangerous dog ordinances are much more effective.

Thanks as always Brent. Great job!!!

Brent

Emily - I guess I don't consider PETA an "animal welfare" group. They function far more like a fringe extremist group.

Jan - HSUS has certainly had questionable history when it comes to pit bull type dogs -- but they've come a long way in the past couple of decades. As for Kory Nelson -- I think with any cause there will be individuals that exist outside the mainstream with fringe viewpoints....but their opinions tend to be best treated as fringe viewpoints; as would definitely be the case with Nelson who is more inclined to defend his own legacy...

Nikki

PETA also supports euthanizing majority of the dogs it takes in as well as stealing dogs from families and euthanizing them - they are currently in a lawsuit for one of those stunts. I don't think the extremists at PETA really count as an animal welfare group.

Emily Sieger

well of course PETA is not REALLY an animal welfare group, they're a cult of animal-hating sociopaths. But we kid ourselves if we don't acknowledge that for MOST people, they are indeed such a thing and they get press attention as if they were.

Denise DeNapoli

Great read! Thanks for breaking it down that way. I knew they were skewing the stats, but this is simply crazy. Not surprising, but nuts

Lan Hoang

Why would someone kidnap a dog from somebody house, and then euthanize the dog? Just why?

Jen Brighton

Not to mention that DBO, a tax-exempt organization that supposedly has the peoples' best interests at heart, has a history of turning on dog bite/attack victims who do not concur with its stance.

It's no surprise DBO is in favor of bans. After all, most of us are banned from trying to carry on a rational conversation with anyone on the site. How many educational sites that take donations have a whole section entitled, "Maul Talk Manual," a guide to understanding pit bull owners and advocates? The time spent on such an inane group of sayings.

The site is disturbing and the comments from its fans are often more so. It fosters hate and at times violence.

It has an ownership manual section for owners of "normal dogs" or "dangerous breeds." Say what?! How about a section for what each dog owner should know about dog saftey, period?

Signed, the "Pit Sociopath"

Brent

Absolutely Jen. When DBO first launched their site their original "about us" page was straight-forward in that their goal was to ban specific breeds of dogs. They have since then changed it to try to make themselves seem more legitimate -- but thanks to Google, the old "about us" page lives in the archives:

http://web.archive.org/web/20071106104437/www.dogsbite.org/about-dogsbite.htm

Dianne Singer

I call the DBO fanatics the Scrapbookers, because all they do is cut and paste.
Not an original thought - or any thought - from any of them.

Chris_Ontario

Clifton complained to the Ombudsman, and it found his complaints baseless. Review by the Ombudsman, CBC/Radio-Canada French Services, complaint regarding an article by Bouchra Outak published on ICI Radio-Canada.ca on September 9, 2016, entitled "Pitbulls: des donnees non scientifiques frequentmment citees par les medias"

http://www.ombudsman.cbc.radio-canada.ca/_files/documents/Ombudsman%20review%20Merritt%20Clifton2.pdf

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Ruby

PBLNN has published the public records of Settle animal control that cover the incident o Colleen Lynn's being bitten. Those records, complete with photographs show her to be a complete liar.

http://legal.pblnn.com/pro-bsl-experts/dogbiteorg/109-collen-lynn-seattle-animal-control-records

Michael

I already posted this in another thread but this one is newer so here goes


I thought i would share what i wrote to an ignorant person on this subject.

I will state this my uncle was breeding these dogs in the early seventies. and while he himself showed the dogs in the ADBA sanctioned events. he did get his original stock from the fighting lines of the APBT. So i will say that i grew up around these dogs and even when i was younger visited men like Louis b colby. and despite what many people may think colby was still breeding his dogs down from match winning stock until he got sick.

now this just my experience and others may differ. the colbies were dog fighters make no mistake about that but what i witnessed on that yard was nothing but respect and admiration for these wonderful dogs. they were not merely objects to this man. they were not just thrown outside and forgotten about. they were highly socialised around adults and children. Now miss Lynn loves to point out the one tragedy that occured where a nephew of john p was killed by one of these dogs. Now i really want you to think about this for a moment. this man bred, kept, and sold some of the greatest and well known fighting dogs this breed had ever seen. there were hundreds of dogs on this yard over the years. and only one incident that is quite extraordinary i think and just goes to show the true nature of these dogs with people. His dogs were showed great affection from the children and adults alike they were exercised on a regular basis and fed well.

Again some may disagree but in my experience the best representatives from this breed are the ones that were originally dow from fighting lines they were not loving, confident, athletic, loyal, and brave dogs inspite of their heritage they were this way because of it. Many of the men i met over the years were gentlemen and quite educated in dog behaviour and life. Now dont get me wrong i have met people that were complete scum and dregs on society involved in this breed. but that came more when the act became a felony. truth is many family men and bluecollar men and women were involved in what they call a sport. Now while i dont participate or condone the act i find things like using dogs to hunt and catch wild boar much worse. for one the dogs who hunt wild boar get seriously injured and die much to often and the other animal is screaming in pain and agony and wants nothing more than to survive

The men i have met over the years also had some dogs that could quite nicely coexist with other dogs. now mind you they did not get along with every dog but they were not mindless killing machines like some may have you believe

Also miss Lynn would have you believe that every single APBT born was a killing machine and would gladly take its death fighting. That is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. Talk to anyone who knows anything about these dogs and you will see a dog like that is a rarity.now while the breed as a whole is much gamer that any other breed there are a lot of variations within the breed itself. most dogs were controllable and the older and wiser the person got the more they liked the confident laid back kind of APBT.

Now i will say not just these dogs but dogs in general are not for everyone. Most people are ignorant and impulsive. they dont bother to study the breed they want they do not seek out reputable breeders or rescues. a reputable breeder may not register his dogs but you can bet he has handwritten pedigrees on them all and can tell you about each individual in the pedigree at least back to the fifth generation. rebutable breeders under the roles that genetics and environment play when breeding dogs. they know there dogs in and out.

I will also say that the APBT as a whole is a great breed. but popularity and irresponsible breeders have had a negative effect. Now again this is only my experience but most of the APBT i have owned and seen were dog aggressive and extremely human friendly almost to a fault where if you read this history many were stolen right off there property because they were so friendly and trusting. Now while they were dog aggressive they were not mindless killing machines some were good with certain dogs. but these dogs should not be off leash nor any dpg because most owners do not have complete control and as far as dog parks i think they are a bad idea in general as do most trainers and behaviourists and these dogs and all dogs should be contained in there house or outside safely and securely

Here are some things ive seen and learned over the years involved in this breed


first of all you clearly dont know dogs and even less about fighting dogs. all you idiots are the same you all treat dogsbite.org like gospel and believe their myths. i will tell you the truth here and now. fighting dogs like pitbulls are dog/animal aggressive. many are but but some are not. dog aggression does not equal human aggression. these dogs were bred to be aggressive towards dogs only. now another thing dogsbite.org likes to lie about and say even in the history of these dogs which is documented to see there were human aggressive dogs. now that is not a complete lie but not totally true. that site will mention zebo, virgil, bullyson and a few others well what she fails to say is these so called aggressive dogs were what any respected animal behaviourist would call only territorially aggressive. and they were far from unpredictable. gthey were only aggressive when in there spot or kennel and only towards strangers. once let off or out of there spot they were quite sweet. in fact zebo was a house dog and bullyson actually spent time in the house. Now virgil i knew personally. while he was aggressive on the chain off of it he was a big puppy. n ow here i=are some facts i witnessed myself. virgils best friend was thomas the cat yes a cat that slept in his bed with him. he also could walk around the entire yard and not attack one dog not one. and actually played with puppies and yearlings and could even be in the same crate as his daughter.


These dogs were not bred to show mindless unpredictable aggression they were bred for extreme human friendliness which shows in the pit because they are literally the only breed of a dog a stranger could approach during a fight and have no worries of a bite being redirected onto them. there are thousands of accounts of this all one has to do is the research. many people blame dog fighting for the aggresiveness while it is deplorable and reprehensible dog fighting has produced some of the most brave stable, easily trainable and affectionate dogs around. and i am not like your usuall person who sayss genetics dont matter they do but not as much as you think. if you actually studied genetics like i have there is a thing called heredity which is the variation of genetics and environment between individuals among a breed. and what was discovered over and over again was behavioural traits such as dog aggression are moderately heritable which selection for the trait can work but environment plays a big part also

also if breeds that were genetically selected to show human aggression like dobermans rotties and shepherds were as well documented as the history of the APBT i can guarantee you would find many more dogs in those three that mere and are much aggressive than the sometimes dog aggressive APBT

also people on both sides of this debate do harm to the breed there is only one pit bull it is not a blanket term it is short for american PIT BULL terrier just like rottie is short for rotweiler. and another myth is while these dogs when raised around kids are good with them they were never ever nanny dogs and no dog should be left alone with any dog. now you will probably say the american staffordshire is the same yet when a study done on the genes of working dogs vs show dogs of the same breed was done it showed that the working type was genetically different from the show type. also these dogs and dogs and general do not belong off leash no matter how friendly a dog is with other dogs there can always be the chance of play escalating into a fight and that goes for any breed. the majority of owners literally dont have a clue when it comes to dog behaviour or body language especially when the body language is subtle like a yawn or a lip lick which depending on other body language mean the dog is uncomfortable. all the latest studies, which i will look up again if someone calls me on it all agree that while the APBT can be dog aggressive they are no more aggressive towards people than any other dog and dog bites themselves are usually due to mistakes made by people. one study even compared so called dangerous breeds with the golden retriever which many will argule is the most docile breed and the study found no difference between the dogs when it came to aggression toward people.

I can go on all day and literally run circles around you APBT hating fools . another study was also done where experts in the animal field were found to misidentify the APBT 46 or 48% of the time and these were people who are literally around dogs all day everyday so imagine how many stupid owners and media mislabel the breed and in this study they used DNA to prove the people who guessed wrong

One last thing i challenge you to find me one incident in the past 5 years where a UKC or ADBA registered purebred APBT was involved in a dog bite i bet no one can


So i say all of that to say this many people are hurting this breed from both sides of the debate. The pro pitbull people hurt them by saying everyone should own one which is ridiculous as most people shouldnt even own a goldfish and the Anti Pit bull people like our ever so lovely LMAO miss lynn by spreading lies and misinformation this breed would be much better off if it were to go back to the time when most people had no idea what a true pit bull was. The biggest thing that hurts all breeds is popularity

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