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November 24, 2013


Dog hero

I have another one have you heard about the "pitbull" that ripped the ladies arm off. first it was roaming also it had bitten her before. the true owner had a criminal record. and the dog may not have even been a pit.
Also i found a site given to me by a bsl advocate which kind of undermined his argument.;jsessionid=C6BFB8F45A4E8EBA8B2AFDFFE8AECB8C.f04t04?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&


I don't like that in all but one of these attacks the dogs are "described as pit bulls". How will that be confirmed? Or will it just go down in the record books and the breed is dinged again?

Dog hero

Probably the second thing Lisa.


Karen Delise used to do follow ups on these "described as pit bull" dogs... and they rarely were anything a breed expert would agree was an APBT.

These days, "pit bull" means absolutely nothing. The dogs may not even be short haired blockyhead dogs.

Thanks to the "a pit bull is anything anyone says it is" movement (led, bizarrely, by some pit bull "advocates" ) we apparently no longer have the "no, that's NOT an APBT, it's a mixed breed dog" defense.

Well we do, if leaders in the advocacy world chose to use it.


Lisa -- Emily is right. Karen Delise usually digs and gets photos of all the dogs and as accurate as possible data on breeds. The only problem is, that because she is so thorough, it is usually a full year before the data is available (for instance, she'll publish 2012 data at the end of 2013). And yes, Emily is right, most are usually nothing more than stocky, short-haired mixed breed dogs.

Without that information, I try to at least provide the best visual descriptor available at the time, or what authorities on the scene are calling the dog. At the end of the day, there are millions and millions of dogs in this country that are classified under the loose term of "pit bull" -- and if there was some genetic predisposition to attack, then we'd have dozens of these cases every day. And that's simply not the case. But when you start looking at dogs like the ones in these incidents that involve either wandering, unattended toddlers, dogs that are trained/encouraged to be violent, show signs of violence and then attack, and dogs that are removed from litters at 3 weeks of age, you start realizing the other factors beyond what the dog looks like that built up to the incident.

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